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DerekFlint

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Crankbait rod questions...
« on: November 13, 2005, 09:29:46 AM »
Hi,

Does a crankbait run deeper on a crankbait rod?
I recently purchased a Shimano Crucial 6'6" crankbait rod and small crankbaits run very smoothly.
I then switched rods, keeping everything else the same, to a regular medium power/action
and it 'felt' like the crankbaits didn't run as deep. Is this my imagination do you think?
I'm only fishing about 5 feet of water with various crankbaits.
Thanks for any insite.
D

Offline islandbass

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Re: Crankbait rod questions...
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2005, 12:27:00 PM »
Did both setups have the same test line? Up to a certain extent, a line with a thinner diameter is a factor that can help a crankbait dive a little deeper.

I believe rods desigated Crank bait rods are such because they possess an action that will make it less likely for the user to rip the lure out of the fish's mouth on the hook set.
ARX
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"If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles." Doug Larson (Shimano 2005 Reel Catalog)

DerekFlint

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Re: Crankbait rod questions...
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2005, 01:16:37 PM »
Yes Islandbass, the line was the same 10# P-line.

While on the subject of line since most of my river fishing is in water less than say 6 ft
if I increase it to 12# will I be missing anything? I've read that a small jump in line
diameter only accounts for about 6 inches in lost depth. Maybe if I were deep cranking
that would be different but I'm considering kicking my line test up one notch to 12#.
I might not loose as many crankbaits and jigs along the way.

Derek
 

Offline islandbass

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Re: Crankbait rod questions...
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2005, 05:12:41 PM »
DF,

Man your discovery has really piqued my curiosity.

Okay, so it isn't the line. I use 10# Pline CX Premium myself.!? I can't remember at what # test diameter (going thinner) that a crankbait's ability to dive deeper is also inhibited. I think (and I'm guessing) that it is around the 6-8 mono equivalent diameter that the thinner line no longer has the benefit of enabling the crank bait dive deeper. 10# Pline should be thinner that 10# mono.

Also, what about the reels used? If one reel had a higher line recovery rate than the other and you made the same retrieve with both reels, then in theory, the reel with the higher line recovery should not allow the crank bait to get as deep. Why? I would speculate because it is sucking up the line much more quickly and it is that same line the crankbait needs to get to its depth.

Take a look at the line recovery rates for both reels. This should be the key. Gear ratios between reel manufacturers might be the same or similar but that does not necessarily mean that the reels would have the same line recovery rate.

For example, a Superfree Curado with a 6.2:1 gear ratio has a line recovery rate (LRR) of 23" and an Abu Garcia C4 with a 6.3:1 ratio has an LRR of 25". A Shimano 301A Cardiff at 5.8:1 recovers line at 24" and a Shimano Symetre spinning reel at 6.1:1 recovers 31" of line.

If the reels have a different line recovery rate and the rig with the greater line recovery is the one that didn't allow the crankbait to dive as deep as you hoped, then we will have solved the mystery. If they have the same line recovery rate or the rig with the lesser line recovery is the one that didn't get the crank bait deeper, it will be a problem whose solution is beyond my extremely limited math and fishing knowledge.

Let me know what you find and thanks!

-ib
ARX
"The defintion of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." - A. Einstein

"If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles." Doug Larson (Shimano 2005 Reel Catalog)

mrxracing

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Re: Crankbait rod questions...
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2005, 09:49:43 AM »
That P-line is some strong stuff...
I never had it snap on me (10lb)  I usually just ripped the tree branch off or snapped the hook right in half before breaking line..
JMO  of Pline (kinda off topic)

 

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